riseup.net is not antifa
A response to @gargron's post in support of antifa, in the context of mozilla supporting riseup.net, at https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/21080307. My original post at https://social.heldscal.la/notice/4145850.
TL;DR: antifa is an organisation that perpetrates political violence and performs acts of terrorism.
riseup.net is a bunch of people with an anti-capitalist agenda who want to get people off Facebook. They're like @hannes2peer and @mmn, just bigger and more organized.
If you want to support a network service provider who supports antifa, support mayfirst.org instead.
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Two things:
1) There is excellent left-wing criticism of antifa and their methods. I suggest you read it:
TL;DR: antifa is an organisation that perpetrates political violence and performs acts of terrorism.
riseup.net is a bunch of people with an anti-capitalist agenda who want to get people off Facebook. They're like @hannes2peer and @mmn, just bigger and more organized.
If you want to support a network service provider who supports antifa, support mayfirst.org instead.
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Two things:
1) There is excellent left-wing criticism of antifa and their methods. I suggest you read it:
- https://riseuptimes.org/2017/08/23/chomsky-antifa-bringing-violence-and-playing-into-the-alt-rights-hands/
- https://riseuptimes.org/2017/08/31/chris-hedges-how-antifa-mirrors-the-alt-right/
- https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/01/responding-to-antifa-and-riseup-on-revolutionary-politics-and-non-violence/
2) riseup.net is not antifa. (also riseuptimes.org linked above is, to my knowledge, not riseup.net)
The direct connection between antifa and riseup.net is a meme mainly
coming from one article by two kekistani alt-right guys, who present
some flimsy evidence for it.
Even that Counterpunch article by Anthony DiMaggio got it wrong
initially, so your confusion and the confusion of that steemit post is
understandable.
riseup.net is an anarchist (Bakunin sense) and therefore
anti-capitalist collective that provides anonymous and/or decentralized
services to left-wing activists as an alternative to corporate network
services. It is a fact that many antifa people use their services, and
it's possible that riseup.net agrees with that use, or otherwise that it
would be riseup.net's best interest to take a stance against such
groups to clarify things, but I see no statements on the riseup.net site
to indicate that they endorse political violence.
I'm sure there are antifa people on quitter.se and social.umeahackerspace.se too, that doesn't mean those servers and their admins support political violence.
Now, if you want to bring up a similar example of a network service
provider that actually officially supports antifa tactics and therefore
political violence, that would be mayfirst.org who express explicit support for Autonome Antifa Freiburg, who advocate e.g. violence against the police.
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